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[quote] On 26-11-2009 04:49, Shantigh wrote: Apologies in advance for the rather long post. ----- Despite his repeated bad behaviour, which does nothing to help his case or plight, I feel 6 months is perhaps a bit long. And on that score, I agree with the player themselves when they said as much tonight on one of their ban-breaking guest apperances. While I'm not for a whole rules and regulations fiasco with over policing, I do feel that it's maybe time for guidelines. The majority of games available, and every game I play has a system of warnings, punishments all leading upto a final long term ban. I think in the first instance - which this is, regardless of behaviour - it's the first time a game ban has been enforced on this player - I think it's too long. I would prefer to see a system put in place where bans are incremented, based on an initial 3 strikes: --> Verbal & Written Warning --> As above & Points docked from their highest level persona --> As above & their highest level persona fodded. Obviously, it's not hard and fast, you will get people guesting to do it (but arches can trace via IPs) and you will get people doing it when they have no high level persona. In those cases, a warning would likely have to suffice. If after the third strike, the behaviour continues. Then a ban is issued, the ban is of a set period, say between 1 and 4 weeks, any shorter is meaningless, any longer serves only to provoke and irritate the player - which ruins the point of having it as a cool down period, since rightly, they would feel the ban was unjustly long. Giving an average first ban of between 1 and 2 weeks is reasonably fair, and able to be done on an individual basis. Once that ban is over, and they return and the behaviour continues - you can either use the 3 strikes system again, or go straight to another ban. This time the ban would be longer. Between 1 month and 2 months. Repeat, if it's still happening, this is the stage to either permanently ban someone or do a final temporary ban lasting between 3-6 months. In my opinion 6 month bans are meaningless, the game will have moved on so much, and if the player has been away that long on ill terms with the game you are unlikely to have them return, and certainly unlikely to have them return in a happy mood. And if a third ban is used, and behaviour is bad after that - then it's time for a permanent ban. I don't think it would be difficult to put together a set of disciplinary guidelines that is available for the players to use, and it should be included in the terms and conditions of the game. Frankly, any mentions of bans should be highlighted and agreed to. Which involves making all current players agree again to a new terms and conditions, you can't just change them and expect to professionally enforce them if the player base does not agree. Especially why you are asking the same players to donate money. I would also make the point that I think a forum only ban serves only to further provoke a player, and in this case seems to have done exactly that. Forum accounts and user accounts on the game are linked, there is no reason why they shouldn't be linked when it comes to a ban. In fact, if anything, it makes more sense to ban someone from the game and leave the forum open than vice versa. I realise it's a covering your bum movement on behalf of the wizs due to nasty things that could appear on the forum and deter newer players, but given the small amounts of activity on this board at all - daily ''policing'' should be more than possible by the admins, and if not - make more admins. It's a forum after all, and there are daily players who could do the job. And while the player in question has done nothing to help themselves, I do think the lack of structure gave the whole proceeding a lack of fairness and professionalness (if that is a word!) - and I would ask that the ridiculous length of ban be reconsidered. In MUD 6 months is akin to a permanent ban. And while his behaviour is mostly indefensible, the player in question does have every right to be agrieved at the process that led to the ban. And every right to be agrieved at the length of the ban. I also feel that the prior forum ban with no time limit was completely unprofessional as was the mocking of the lack of time limit on a ban. Once again, this is or at least was a business and there are certain respects a customer demands and regardless of the customers behaviour - the admins should be above disrepute, and I don't feel in this case they really were. It was a perfectly reasonable point to ask for a length of the ban, and something that should have been given to the player. Saying it is just a ban is certainly not enough. Especially not for what had until then been a loyal ''customer''. To close - with any luck, a disciplinary system wouldn't be needed to be enacted, however I think it is something of high importance that one be put in place and agreed to under a new set of terms and conditions by the player base. /rant. [/quote]
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