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[quote] On 01-02-2005 22:43, Shantigh wrote: [quote] On 01-02-2005 21:48, Hawumph wrote: Just an observation, but if this idea is hijacked and abused to target individuals, I will be the first in line to disagree with that. And for the record, my fodding fods work. Every time. Regardless. Which is a hint to back off on personal things for this entire discussion. Or it does not happen! This is supposed to be an open debate to discuss the system, attitudes, what people want, etc. It is NOT a whinge fest, it is NOT a debate on who is nastiest wiz or mortal. It is a DISCUSSION! [/quote] One issue with this is that for cases to be put forward, the evidence in doing that will often target set individuals - like in my above post, there is no argument that he wasn't out of line, since complaints were made and upheld against him. In that matter, it's not getting all personal, it is however stating the facts from previous occassions - and you have to be willing to allow that, otherwise the whole thing gets pointless. You have to be willing to listen to complaints, without bias, and allow people to state their cases without holding the threat of fod over them - if you are going to do that, why don't we just call an end to the whole nonsense now? And to discuss the systems and the issues - certain issues will have to be brought up, and while it's easy to remain vague for the most part, when people start asking you to prove it, you will have to deal with names being mentioned. It has to be all or nothing, you have to allow the people in the discussion to be honest and cite problems (which are not personally abusive, mine wasn't, mine simply stated fact) without threatening them for doing so. _________________ [b]Gehenna [/b] [img]http://members.aol.com/drunkgothbitch/kryptlink.gif[/img] [b][url=http://www.krypt.co.uk]Visit My Krypt...[/url][/b]
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